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Seeing Business Like a Language Model

Business principles work—until they don't. What matters is building gut-level next token prediction.

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@samuel.a.varghese 4 days ago

Great article. Taking copious notes on Principles or Clay Christensen definitely resonates. I also took courses on PM frameworks such as Blue Ocean etc. It's all good stuff post mortem but the reality is with entrepreneurship... wayfinding per Hoffman or iterative testing based on current conditions is the only way to really move one step forward and closer to the desired outcome.

Oshyan Greene 4 days ago

You've made a compelling case for why "laws" of business are not "laws" in any reasonable interpretation of that word. How axioms, etc. repeatedly fail. You've also well-illustrated how approaching business like now do with LLMs, next move prediction, is a compelling alternative. But you're also trying to say the old rules are still useful, and I feel like that case is much less well-illustrated and supported here. You essentially say "they're still useful just like this thing in LLMs" but not really how, nor why they are compelling in addition to the next-move prediction approach.

I would postulate that most - if not all - business rules are essentially bullshit post-hoc justifications made to either make someone sound smarter/make money on their book/consulting service, or made to make everyone feel more secure about the near-chaos that starting and running businesses actually is (most of the time it's probably both). What's the compelling case for that not being so?

I also feel like the ineffable role of seemingly innate differences in intuition (or other business-critical capability such as decisiveness, etc.) isn't well covered here. Do we have confidence that starting conditions and innate ability *for founders* aren't perhaps literally the most important thing? How much of business success analysis is simply survivorship bias being over-intellectualized? Obviously examples like Jobs and Gates are outliers, but both of them seemed to be "who they were" from early on, Jobs with a strong innate intuition and intense opinions about how things should be from the time he was a teenager. Likewise Gates with the traits that made him successful. Now they're extremes, but that doesn't necessarily mean the same things aren't true about many or most founders if you look closely enough... Or maybe not! 😄 But it seems worth addressing in the context of this line of thinking.

Oshyan Greene 4 days ago

My kingdom for an Edit button! 😅

Dan Shipper 4 days ago

@Oshyan these are great questions.

1. on most or all business rules being essentially bullshit -> I think if you pursue that case to its logical conclusion you end up saying that skill in business is not a thing, and people get where they are purely because of luck. business rules ARE bullshit when they are portrayed as being universal and comprehensive, but they are NOT bullshit when an experienced practitioner (who has an intuitive, tacit sense of what they actually mean and in what contexts they apply) uses them

2. to be sure starting conditions and innate ability for founders are important, but consider the case where Steve Jobs wasn't able to learn ANYTHING after age 22. like, Steve Jobs as an actual LLM. he would obviously not have achieved what he went on to achieve imo

Oshyan Greene about 12 hours ago

@danshipper Yes, I'm certainly not trying to make the case that experience does not matter at all. Nor am I actually saying with total confidence that starting conditions are the *most* significant predictor, though I think it's an important consideration to raise in this kind of conversation. I'm being a little provocative but with genuine belief in this possibility and interest in the reality, too.

Regarding business rules, in your scenario of an experienced practitioner, how do you separate out the difference between the rules they express/cite/espouse being merely a post-hoc rationalization of their internal understanding (that may or may not map to some reusable truth, and undoubtedly has significant limits without their internal intuition) and the rules actually being something that they followed to reach their success? Did so and so learn about x business rule and then succeed more greatly because of that? Or did they just pick some rules that mapped reasonably well to their understanding of their own success journey when someone asked them how they succeeded?

I'm not saying it's never the case that someone learns one or more useful business rules and then succeeds dramatically because of that, but I'm interested in how much of the time it does happen because entire industries are built around these kinds of beliefs about business rules, market behaviors, etc. and it feels worth questioning.

@lucia.wenxin.shen about 14 hours ago

I resonated with every words you said. I just came out of GSB and I also find it very dangerous to treat business principles - distilled from a particular business leader's personal pattern recognition - biased by their own experience, as the universal principle.

What you said about finding your own path and way finding also resonated a LOT. For me, this means "Founder-Product" fit. Why am "I" doing this? / What does building this mean to "me"? are questions that I often deprioritize until now. In your previous podcast, you shared how you pivoted from a traditional venture-backed model, to prioritize what makes you more you by writing, and shaping your business around it, that was truly remarkable, and empowering.

I find you the exact person who's similar but many steps down the road, would love to connect and buy you a coffee in SF if you are open to share what I'm building.